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Ontario Llano y Bulldozer... true?

Esta es una discusión para el tema Ontario Llano y Bulldozer... true? en el foro Hardware, bajo la categoría Tecnologia; Datos Tecnicos de los nuevos AMD, Ontario Llano y Bulldozer, sera cierto? ・Llano  4コア版 95W:3.6GHz+480sp(HD5570より上) 60W:3.0GHz+480sp(HD5570位) 45W:2.6GHz+400sp(HD5550位)  2コア版 75W:3.8GHz+240sp(HD5550位) 65W:3.4GHz+240sp ...
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    Predeterminado Ontario Llano y Bulldozer... true?

    Datos Tecnicos de los nuevos AMD, Ontario Llano y Bulldozer, sera cierto?
    ・Llano
     4コア版
    95W:3.6GHz+480sp(HD5570より上)
    60W:3.0GHz+480sp(HD5570位)
    45W:2.6GHz+400sp(HD5550位)
     2コア版
    75W:3.8GHz+240sp(HD5550位)
    65W:3.4GHz+240sp
    35W:3.0GHz+160sp(HD5530位)
    20W:2.6GHz+160sp

    ・Ontario
    18W:2.2GHz+80sp(HD5450位)
    10W:1.4GHz+40sp(890GX位)
    5W:1.2GHz+40sp

    ・Bulldozer(8コア)
    125W:3.6GHz
    95W:3.4GHz
    65W:3GHz


    http://white-rabbit50.at.webry.info/...article_1.html


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    Predeterminado Re: Ontario Llano y Bulldozer... true?

    Sera cierto tanta maravilla?
    Todo empieza de cero

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    pucha realmente hasta que no salgan no se puede decir mucho, especialmentepor ese concepto de modulo, como influira hay que esperar numas.

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    Zacate de AMD APU actualización de rendimiento


    AMD's Zacate

    Let’s recap. Zacate is AMD’s 18W APU aimed at the mainstream notebook market (~$500 notebooks). The APU features a pair of Bobcat cores and a Cedar-class AMD DX11 GPU. Spending some time with the physical Zacate package, it seems to have a single 64-bit DDR3 memory interface ala Atom. Unlike Atom however, both the Bobcat cores and the DX11 GPU should be relatively high performance.

    Earlier this week, AMD showed us the first public demonstration of Zacate. In its suite were two systems: a Zacate test platform and a Core i5-M 520 notebook from a major OEM. Both systems were configured with 4GB of memory and were running the 64-bit version of Windows 7 Premium.


    The Zacate test platform

    The first demo we saw on Monday was the system running City of Heroes. In CoH Zacate managed to reach frame rates around 2x of what we saw on the Core i5-M 520. AMD also ran through a number of IE9 performance tests including the Psychadelic HTML5 benchmark and the Amazon Shelf test. In both of those tests, the Zacate platform was significantly faster than the Core i5-M 520. And it was those IE9 tests that seemed suspect.

    I didn’t think much of it at first, but Zacate managed a ~10x performance advantage in the IE9 Psychadelic benchmark. While Zacate should have a higher performance GPU, it shouldn’t be that much faster. Something was amiss.

    I borrowed a Core i5 notebook from Intel (we are at IDF after all) and ran the same tests on it. The performance was much better than what I saw in AMD’s suite. I went back to AMD to find out exactly what was going on.

    I brought up the issue and AMD immediately began looking into it. AMD used the latest drivers made available for this particular Core i5 notebook on the manufacturer’s website. Those drivers were version 2104 dated 3/31/10. AMD explained that these systems were configured about a month before launch and they were using the latest drivers available on the manufacturer’s website at the time. This particular OEM didn’t offer a newer version of the Intel HD Graphics drivers via its website. To make matters worse, Intel’s updated HD Graphics driver wouldn't install on the notebook. Some notebook OEMs prefer to provide their own display driver updates. In those cases, the Intel HD Graphics drivers available from intel.com won’t install. Despite only having a single Core i5 machine for all of its press demos for tomorrow, AMD agreed to let us manually install the driver (extract the driver and force device manager to update the driver manually) on the i5 system.


    Zacate


    Intel Core i5-M 520 w/ latest drivers

    The updated driver brought the IE9 performance tests to parity with Zacate. In fact, it looks like the IE9 benchmark doesn’t scale too far with GPU performance (apparently discrete cards don’t score much higher than what we’ve seen here).


    Zacate


    Intel Core i5-M 520 w/ latest drivers

    At this point we had an issue. The IE9 benchmarks AMD was showing off weren’t an accurate comparison of the two architectures. While valid for the only driver revision supported on this particular Core i5 notebook, the scores weren’t valid for a Zacate vs. Core i5 architecture comparison. AMD wanted to make sure there was no confusion about the GPU performance potential of Zacate so it allowed us to install whatever we wanted on both systems to validate the GPU performance we had seen.

    Take a moment to realize exactly what just happened here. In an effort to convince us (and you) that it had nothing to hide and didn’t deliberately attempt to stack the deck, AMD gave us full access to the Zacate platform to do whatever we wanted. AMD wanted us to be completely comfortable with the Zacate comparison.

    We downloaded the Batman Arkham Asylum demo off of Steam and loaded it on both the Zacate and Core i5 systems (AMD originally bought two copies of the full game via Steam only to find that SecureROM kept crashing on the Zacate platform at launch, way to go SecureROM). We set both machines to 1024 x 768 at high quality settings. We played through the beginning of the demo as well as FRAPSed a short walk through the first room you’re dropped in:


    Batman, Core i5-M 520


    Batman, Zacate

    Batman Arkham Asylum, FRAPS Walkthrough, 1024 x 768 High Quality
    AMD Zacate 16.5 fps
    Intel Core i5-520M 11.3 fps



    The actual gameplay was noticeably quicker on Zacate and the numbers show a 45% performance advantage. This is huge. To sanity check that data we fired up City of Heroes on both machines and played around with them. The frame rate varied depending on where you were in the scene and we saw peak frame rates close to the 2x advantage repeated in our second pass with updated Intel drivers. Note the differences in contrast below are due to the vastly different screens the two systems were using.


    City of Heroes, Core i5-M 520


    City of Heroes, Zacate

    We put together a quick FRAPS walkthrough to show how the average frame rate improved:

    City of Heroes, FRAPS Walkthrough, 1024 x 768 Low Quality
    AMD Zacate 39.6 fps
    Intel Core i5-520M 25.5 fps


    On average we saw a 55% improvement over the Core i5 system.

    AMD wanted to highlight the DirectCompute performance of Zacate and let us publish the first results from the platform running the N-Body Simulation benchmark:

    N-Body Simulation, DirectCompute Performance
    AMD Zacate 23 GFLOPS
    Core i5-520M 8.8 GFLOPS




    AMD views Fusion as a way to not only bring better gaming performance to the market, but also enable a lot of new GPU compute applications. Remember that Zacate and Ontario are going into systems priced at around $500 or less. With this type of GPU compute in the entry level, it’s only a matter of time before developers start to do something with it.

    The Zacate GPU performance we’re seeing here today is completely unoptimized as well. The clocks aren’t final, drivers aren’t fine tuned and although we’re close to release, there’s still potentially more performance on the table.

    It’s very rare for any public company to make an on the spot decision to let us benchmark and publish test data of an unreleased part without having ever seen it before. The first time the AMDers in the suite saw Zacate running Batman was when we installed it. To be honest, it was probably the most open and flexible I’ve ever seen AMD be. I knew if the IE9 numbers changed that it would call the City of Heroes numbers into question. By allowing us to rerun everything as well as add an additional title (one that we’ve used more recently) AMD handled the situation perfectly.

    At the end of the day my take on Zacate (and Ontario) hasn’t changed: these two APUs have the potential to make the low end netbook/notebook market interesting again.

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/3933/a...ormance-update

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    aca un videito de la demo



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    Predeterminado Re: Ontario Llano y Bulldozer... true?

    Que tal seran estos micros hibridos para una cabina? Con los juegos clasicos como:
    GB
    Wolstein
    CS 1.6
    GTA San Andreas
    Vice City y mas

    Rendira? Pues si es asi, entonces creo que se ahorraria mucho dinero

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    Predeterminado Re: Ontario Llano y Bulldozer... true?

    Ya las HD3200/4200 pueden mover esos juegos de sobra.

    En tu caso sería comprar una placa desktop basada en Llano. Un quad de 3Ghz con el integrado de 400SP debería mover bien hasta el Crysis 2 en high/medium xD.

    Tomando en cuenta la integración, las placas para esta plataforma deberían tener precios bastante atractivos.
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    Se “filtran” detalles de Ontario y Zacate



    Desde Fudzilla nos llegan detalles del CPU Zacate (una versión de mayor potencia que Ontario); CPU de doble núcleo funcionando a 1.6GHz, un núcleo gráfico DirectX 11 funcionando a 500MHz (con una potencia similar al de una Radeon HD 5500), y un TDP de 18W; no mencionan a que modelo en concreto corresponden las especificaciones, pero sí que será lanzado en los últimos meses de este año.

    Por último, desde Hardware Infos, nos llega un minireview comparando el rendimiento de un CPU con núcleo Zacate ante un Intel Core i5-520m de 2.4GHz:



    http://www.chw.net/2010/09/se-filtra...ario-y-zacate/

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    Esto quiere decir, que Atom peligra su "statu quo"?.....lo que me gustaria mas, es ver mas notebooks AMD aqui en Lima, que me parece injusto ver las diferencias de precios en newegg....con precios referenciales aqui....
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    omparativa con mi integrada xD

    Batman Arkham Asylum 1024x768 High

    Athlon II X4 620 2.6Ghz + HD3300 + sideport
    14fps



    Zacate 1.6Ghz dual core + 80SP igp
    16fps



    Sin duda que compensa la potencia del igp el cuello de botella de un proce de baja frecuencia XD
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    En otras pruebas saca un poco mas de fps en el mismo juego.

    http://wwsw.youtube.com/watch?v=btH_gwd8CSg



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    A mí también me suben los fps, pero justamente en la posición de mis capturas es en donde más caen los fps al tener más cosas cerca y de lejos(el pasillo) en pantalla.

    Acabo de ver el video, es en medium. A esa calidad 16-24fps. Digamos que vamos ahí ahí. Más tarde hago capturas. Zacate se mentiene casi siempre por sobre los 19fps en más o menos 20-22fps (digamos que es más fluido)



    AII X4 620 + HD3300 + sideport 1024x768 medium





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